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What Spurrier means to South Carolina

Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:42 pm
Posted by boXerrumble
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:42 pm
So many people have debated on here lately how good of a job the HBC has done at South Carolina, with many detractors pointing to his lack of SEC titles.

Well...

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Before Spurrier arrived, @GamecockFB had never won more than 10 games in a season. 11 wins in each of last 3 seasons pic.twitter.com/0UaSIaAQvk


Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:43 pm to
No Lattimore, no Clowney. No Connor Shaw. Gonna be interesting this year.
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
42333 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:44 pm to
Spurrier is setting up USC nicely for future success. The key will be the next hire, because we all know how difficult it is to maintain that level.
Posted by AUbagman
LA
Member since Jun 2014
10561 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:45 pm to
No doubt, guy is one of the greats. Not many could do what he has done at USC.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86434 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:47 pm to
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Spurrier is setting up USC nicely for future success


possibly. We honestly have no idea what SC will do after spurrier, all we DO know is that they'll have a foundation in place and some talent to work with.

Make no mistake, a ton of these kids go to SC because of "Steve Spurrier". Unless they hit a grand slam hire, I think they'd be just as likely to continue on their current path as they would be to return to 8-4 seasons every year.
Posted by FourThreeForty
Member since May 2013
17290 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 12:49 pm to
I'm wanna see Pete Carroll be the next HC of SCAR.
Posted by STUPIDFACE
Georgia
Member since Nov 2013
391 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:27 pm to
I read recently that in the last five years SC has gone from a coaching graveyard to a top 20 job. Incredible.
Posted by Chimlim
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2005
17712 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:36 pm to
It took him a few seasons, but he's doing a fantastic job there.

I mean he's made South Carolina a top ten team.

Not an easy task considering you are recruiting against Georgia, Bama, Tennessee, North Carolina, Clemson, Florida, and Florida State
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 1:37 pm
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25849 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:37 pm to
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Spurrier is setting up USC nicely for future success. The key will be the next hire, because we all know how difficult it is to maintain that level.



I'm glad somebody recognizes this. Spurrier and the athletic department (under Tanner and Hyman) have directed the fan base in the right direction. Not just from a 'buying ticket and going to the game' perspective.. but from a donation stand point. In turn it has led to some massive facility upgrades that has made them SEC worthy, something that couldn't be said just a few short years ago.

On top of that we continue to recruit highly. While we don't have a "big name" like a Lattimore, Jeffery, or Clowney all of our classes finish top 20, many top 15, and although there is a long way to go we're currently ranked 3rd by rivals (if you consider recruiting services to be a good indicator)
Posted by Crimson Legend
Mount St Gumpus
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:37 pm to
He has done a great job, no doubt. I just think it's a bit disingenuous to compare him to "the rest" of SCar's history. The graphic does not show where the program was when he took over - solidly mediocre. 8-4 and 9-3 aren't 10 win season, but they aren't .496, either.

Holtz did a great job turning a perennial loser into a mediocre program. Spurrier did an even better job turning a mediocre program into a winner.
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25849 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:39 pm to
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8-4 and 9-3 aren't 10 win season, but they aren't .496, either.


3 years prior to Spurrier:

2002: 5-7
2003: 5-7
2004: 6-5

We had the Outback bowl seasons in the previous 2 seasons before that.. and before that 1-21 record with 1 bowl win in our entire history.

Even Spurrier has admitted he didn't realize how far behind we were in the facilities arms race when he got here.
Posted by Crimson Legend
Mount St Gumpus
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Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:46 pm to
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We had the Outback bowl seasons in the previous 2 seasons before that.. and before that 1-21 record with 1 bowl win in our entire history.

Even Spurrier has admitted he didn't realize how far behind we were in the facilities arms race when he got here.


agreed. Depending on how many years you go back, it can paint a very different picture. If you include the entire Holtz tenure, it adds that first 0-11 season to the numbers. If you cut it to the last three, it leaves out his two best seasons the two seasons prior.

In the end, I think it's very fair to say that Holtz had lifted that program up a level, and that Spurrier definitely lifted it far higher.
Posted by Jagd Tiger
The Kinder, Gentler Jagd
Member since Mar 2014
18139 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:47 pm to


To me USCar is the new Vols, they'll be good until they're not, which may be a while or may not be, depending a lot on who replaces the OBC. UF is a recent dynasty with everything in place and look at their struggles, Bama still has their dynasty coach and didn't even win their division. UGA and LSU supposedly have everything in place but where is their dynasty?
Posted by theGarnetWay
Washington, D.C.
Member since Mar 2010
25849 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:49 pm to
Yeah it's strange. I've always heard conflicting reports about Holtz's last years. Some say he was setting up for his son Skip, an assistant for us at the time, to take over for his first HC job. At the same time I've also heard Holtz was instrumental in getting Spurrier to come here.

Holtz didn't deserve to go out the way he did. Yeah he doesn't have the cleanest rap sheet with the NCAA but getting hammered by Clemson, massive team brawl with Clemson, teams not going to a bowl, several of the players shortly after got caught breaking into a dorm room and stealing stuff.
Posted by GeauxWarTigers
Auburn
Member since Oct 2010
18046 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:49 pm to
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No Lattimore, no Clowney. No Connor Shaw. Gonna be interesting this year.


Lattimore was a beast, but was hurt a lot. Clowney didn't do shite last year. Spurrier was winning with drunk Garcia, I think he'll be fine without Shaw.

Dylan Thompson will be solid at worst and Mike Davis is a beast RB. USCe will be fine.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63853 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:50 pm to
I think population growth will also keep SC competitive post-spurrier.

15 years ago, by the time UGA, UF, AU, UA, Tenn, FSU, Miami, and a couple other southern schools were done recruiting, there wasn't a hell of alot left over for schools like South Carolina.


That's changed.

Population has gotten bigger, but scholarship limits and # of football teams haven't.

This will create more parity among SEC schools moving forward.

Example, the state of Georgia in this recruiting cycle has 80 players ranked .85 or higher by the composite.

The state of South Carolina has 16.

State of Alabama has 25.

The state of Florida has 119.

The point is there are more than enough above-average talent kids to go around now.

I think Spurrier helped, but it's coming to look like he was at the right place at the right time.

If SC's next coach can continue to split the state's top talent 50/50 with clemson and fill out the rest with talent from GA and FL, Gamecocks will continue to field a competitive team.

Posted by Phat Phil
Krispy Kreme
Member since May 2010
7372 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 1:52 pm to
Why can't MSU have same success as SC? Their state is just as talented and facilities are even better than SC.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63853 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:02 pm to
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Why can't MSU have same success as SC? Their state is just as talented and facilities are even better than SC.



MSU has 5 commits to OM's 1 commit from MS's top 10 on the 247 composite in the state.

There are still a few uncommitted but even if they just get 5 of the top ten, that's called "locking down your state"

In addition to that, they have the #9 and #11 rated guys from Alabama, and a #8 guy from Missouri.

They are currently ranked 13th in the nation on composite.

This is Mississippi State we are talking about.

They keep this up, they could soon see a turnaround just like SC did.


ETA- a closer look at their 27 commits, they only have 5 line of scrimmage commits total, offense and defense.

Seems to me if you are taking 27+ class, you ought to have more linemen in the mix. This isn't Washington St. Did MSU have some crazy take of linemen last year?

ETA 2 - Yes, I see they took 8 last year. So nevermind, keep up the good work Dan.
This post was edited on 8/22/14 at 2:09 pm
Posted by gamecocks22
SC
Member since Dec 2012
4913 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:09 pm to
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I'm wanna see Pete Carroll be the next HC of SCAR




#GrudenComing
Posted by gamecocks22
SC
Member since Dec 2012
4913 posts
Posted on 8/22/14 at 2:22 pm to
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they aren't .496, either



I know He walked into a dumpster fire, but Holtz was 33-37 which is .472
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