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Petition calling for Dan Jones' resignation
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:22 pm
Petition calling for the resignation of Dan Jones
Obviously I'm against this petition, but I don't mind if I help it garner a couple extra signatures and this is why:
First, the petition lists an a-grievance that is indisputably factually inaccurate. Col. Reb was removed as mascot in 2002 during Robert Khayat's administration. There is no debate on the issue, It is as solid a historical fact as they come. Assigning blame to Dan Jones would be like blaming Hugh Freeze for losing the 2011 Egg bowl. Hugh Freeze may have been the coach during the 2013 loss, but he certainly isn't responsible for a game his predecessor coached.
The petition also claims that the plan Jones put forth discourages using the name "Ole Miss" in an academic setting. This is true. However, it is no departure from current policy. It's equivalent an IHOP patron expressing moral indignation at IHOP serving waffles. "What!?!?! Ya'll serve waffles? I thought this was IHOP"
There's also the matter of who gets to judge the job that Dan Jones is doing. This petition asserts that the people who attend, graduated, are fans, and otherwise supported the University get to make that decision. In reality, the IHL board makes those decisions, and a bunch of irrational bitching isn't going to be of any concern to them. Dan Jones will be judged on the basis of enrollment (sets a new record every year), Private financial contributions ( Again, record-breaking) and improved Academic and Cultural status.
The final straw for the petition is the assertion that the majority of the Ole Miss community supports its stances. My first issue with that is that it requires you to accept the fallacy that the majority is in the right and that the position is righteous because the majority believes it (circular logic). 50% +1 of those in ISIS may believe that beheading those who don't convert to your religion is justice. But does an unbiased opinion deem that justice? Does the victim? Does God?
The other problem the petition imposed upon itself by asserting that the majority of the Ole Miss community believes in its aims and virtues is that it has required itself to gather more support than it likely ever could. If you are making a very conservative estimate, you'd imagine that the Ole Miss community consists of 100k+ people. How many signatures does it require to prove that it isn't just the rabbling of a very large, loud, and passionate contingent but actually the voice of the majority? 5k? 20k? 35k? 50,001?
Obviously I'm against this petition, but I don't mind if I help it garner a couple extra signatures and this is why:
First, the petition lists an a-grievance that is indisputably factually inaccurate. Col. Reb was removed as mascot in 2002 during Robert Khayat's administration. There is no debate on the issue, It is as solid a historical fact as they come. Assigning blame to Dan Jones would be like blaming Hugh Freeze for losing the 2011 Egg bowl. Hugh Freeze may have been the coach during the 2013 loss, but he certainly isn't responsible for a game his predecessor coached.
The petition also claims that the plan Jones put forth discourages using the name "Ole Miss" in an academic setting. This is true. However, it is no departure from current policy. It's equivalent an IHOP patron expressing moral indignation at IHOP serving waffles. "What!?!?! Ya'll serve waffles? I thought this was IHOP"
There's also the matter of who gets to judge the job that Dan Jones is doing. This petition asserts that the people who attend, graduated, are fans, and otherwise supported the University get to make that decision. In reality, the IHL board makes those decisions, and a bunch of irrational bitching isn't going to be of any concern to them. Dan Jones will be judged on the basis of enrollment (sets a new record every year), Private financial contributions ( Again, record-breaking) and improved Academic and Cultural status.
The final straw for the petition is the assertion that the majority of the Ole Miss community supports its stances. My first issue with that is that it requires you to accept the fallacy that the majority is in the right and that the position is righteous because the majority believes it (circular logic). 50% +1 of those in ISIS may believe that beheading those who don't convert to your religion is justice. But does an unbiased opinion deem that justice? Does the victim? Does God?
The other problem the petition imposed upon itself by asserting that the majority of the Ole Miss community believes in its aims and virtues is that it has required itself to gather more support than it likely ever could. If you are making a very conservative estimate, you'd imagine that the Ole Miss community consists of 100k+ people. How many signatures does it require to prove that it isn't just the rabbling of a very large, loud, and passionate contingent but actually the voice of the majority? 5k? 20k? 35k? 50,001?
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 9:39 pm
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Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:32 pm to inelishaitrust
Whoever posts this poll on their Facebook will be promptly defriended and ignored for the rest of my life. Granted, I also did the same to a liberal douche who said it's not going far enough in not eliminating the Ole Miss name from athletics as well, so I'm equal opportunity here.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:50 pm to OMLandshark
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Granted, I also did the same to a liberal douche who said it's not going far enough in not eliminating the Ole Miss name from athletics as well
I'm with you on that too. Historical context matters much less than contemporary context. For example; a fig was once a cigarette. Words and symbols change meanings. The historical meaning of Ole Miss has been replaced by its current meaning, which is a nickname for the University of Mississippi.
The historical context of the confederate battle flag is not a negative connotation. However it is now equivalent to the swastika as a symbol of "White Power" throughout the world.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:53 pm to inelishaitrust
yea white ppl
Posted on 8/10/14 at 9:57 pm to inelishaitrust
What is the "historical meaning" of "ole miss" and please don't tell me wikipidea or someone making shite up. It was the nickname for the yearbook back in the day. show me some real historical data showing that it means the plantation owners wife. Nothing more, nothing less. The majority of people starting shite have an agenda outside of OM.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:01 pm to rebelrouser
Well thats what the Ole Miss website said for years.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:05 pm to rebelrouser
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What is the "historical meaning" of "ole miss" and please don't tell me wikipidea or someone making shite up.
If you read my post, you would have noticed that I said it was irrelevant what the former meaning of the word is because the current meaning is not negative.
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show me some real historical data showing that it means the plantation owners wife.
Hold on one second, let me search youtube real quick for video of a slave calling a plantation wife "Ole Miss."
I'm sure I can find mountains of correspondence between slaves and the "Ole Miss" on the internet too.
You want me to bring back the stone tablets the 10 commandments were written on and the ark of the covenant too?
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:07 pm to rebelrouser
The narrative that OM came from plantation lingo is one of the biggest loads of bullshite I've ever heard of. It's so obvious that it comes from "Ole Mississippi" that it's dumbfounding that people try and paint it as anything else.
So you're telling me that Elma Meek thought to herself, "you know what, I'm gonna name the yearbook after what slaves called the wife, that will make so much sense for the university" and then the administrators sat there and lapped it up because every single action they made was based on racism.
If you believe this story you are a dumb motherfricker
So you're telling me that Elma Meek thought to herself, "you know what, I'm gonna name the yearbook after what slaves called the wife, that will make so much sense for the university" and then the administrators sat there and lapped it up because every single action they made was based on racism.
If you believe this story you are a dumb motherfricker
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:07 pm to inelishaitrust
This whole thread is an abortion.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:12 pm to OBReb6
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"you know what, I'm gonna name the yearbook after what slaves called the wife, that will make so much sense for the university" and then the administrators sat there and lapped it up because every single action they made was based on racism.
Well this was at least 60 years prior to desegregation, so you can't act like it's outside the realm of possibility.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:14 pm to inelishaitrust
It is outside the realm of possibility. The didn't name the yearbook after what slaves called the plantation wife, because that's fricking stupid.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:14 pm to inelishaitrust
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Well this was at least 60 years prior to desegregation, so you can't act like it's outside the realm of possibility.
GTFO with that bullshite.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:18 pm to inelishaitrust
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If you read my post, you would have noticed that I said it was irrelevant what the former meaning of the word is because the current meaning is not negative.
Ole Miss is simply not racist. We can't just go kowtowing to a select few kooks.
This post was edited on 8/10/14 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:19 pm to Rebelgator
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GTFO with that bullshite.
It was 1897. How is it impossible?
I've already argued that it's irrelevant, why is it so important that it's also untrue?
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:20 pm to Diddles
Wasn't this ridiculous idea never even mentioned until 20 years ago when some professor mentioned that the nickname might have come from plantation speak but he didn't know? The dude pulled it completely out of his arse, and it makes me sad that so many have fallen for it.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:22 pm to Diddles
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That's not relevant here. Ole Miss is simply not racist. We can't just go kowtowing to a select few kooks.
I thought you were joking at first.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:25 pm to inelishaitrust
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I've already argued that it's irrelevant, why is it so important that it's also untrue?
It's completely relevant because it's the only driving force of perceived notions. She named it that after Ole Mississippi, and LSU tried to start going by "Ole Lou" for a few years afterwards because they liked the idea.
But of course LSU tried to name it after some plantation owner's wife named Louise, right? What a monumental load of bullshite
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:28 pm to inelishaitrust
It's been a long day for me 
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:30 pm to OBReb6
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It's completely relevant because it's the only driving force of perceived notions. She named it that after Ole Mississippi, and LSU tried to start going by "Ole Lou" for a few years afterwards because they liked the idea.
But of course LSU tried to name it after some plantation owner's wife named Louise, right? What a monumental load of bullshite
I'm personally more inclined to believe that Ole Miss is short for Ole Mississippi. I'm also not unwilling to rule out the possibility that it might mean the "Lady of the Plantation"
Either way, I'm a staunch supporter of the Ole Miss Rebels, and I'm a staunch supporter of the nickname "Ole Miss", I'm not sure why that's not good enough.
Posted on 8/10/14 at 10:31 pm to OBReb6
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“If I could do one thing, the place would never be called Ole Miss again,” history professor Charles Eagles told The New York Times in February .
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