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re: Pat Forde article calling SEC racist towards black basketball coaches
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:34 pm to TeamLSU
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:34 pm to TeamLSU
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That quote is precisely the mindset that many white people have because of the MEDIA.
Also, you stated earlier that the MEDIA tells people that more blacks are on welfare than whites.
You said 3x as many whites are on welfare.
I proved you COMPLETELY wrong and gave proof. Where did you get your information from? The NAACP? Obviously you dont do any of your own research and spew off some stupid numbers people gave you.
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Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:42 pm to Dalosaqy
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"Well, I know I'll get blasted here, but blacks (on average), have the lowest IQ of any ethnicity."
He probably shouldn't have worded it that way, but black males typically (especially poor black males) have the largest achievement gaps among minorities and often garner some of the lowest scores on standardized testing as a collective. Sadly that's a statistical fact we see in the education field everyday.
I'd make the argument though that it has less to do with "IQ" (which is a totally different thing) and more so to do with a lot of other outside variables that don't put a large focus on education in black communities.
Once again though that's a whole other thread. I do whole heartedly agree that there are certain civil rights groups that perpetuate that cycle by not appropriately addressing issues among black communities. And that outcries about what isn't actually racist (like the OP's linked article) doesn't exactly help the situation either.
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:45 pm to IT_Dawg
IT DAWG-Are you getting your numbers from the same media that claims black people are inferior intellectually? Because I can spew out 100's of inventions that black people invented that IS NOT in the history books that white people took credit for.And the point I'm making about welfare is that the MEDIA portrays it as a Black Problem. why do you never see FOX NEWS talking about the white people on welfare. There is a reason for that.
Since the numbers are what you say they are, the point is that what the MEDIA choose to PORTRAY. So ask yourself that question
Since the numbers are what you say they are, the point is that what the MEDIA choose to PORTRAY. So ask yourself that question
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:47 pm to Casper the Dawg
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How many national championships or super bowls has a black head coach won?
National Championship? What sport?
Super Bowl? Tony Dungy, Mike Tomlin
Posted on 4/19/14 at 2:04 pm to TeamLSU
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Since the numbers are what you say they are, the point is that what the MEDIA choose to PORTRAY. So ask yourself that question
So now that you found out your information was COMPLETELY wrong, you bring up the fact again that the media reported a FACT? Wow, I guess that is newsworthy. Go back to your little world where everything is wrong and stop spreading lies and trash in here
Posted on 4/19/14 at 2:52 pm to randomways
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When you're citing a blog, you need to read carefully. For instance, from the very beginning:
"SAT math scores are a fair proxy for IQ scores..."
No. Not even slightly. Not intentionally, not incidentally, not by crazy coincidence. The SAT measures education, not innate intelligence. It's specifically designed to do that, in fact. It stands for Scholastic Aptitude Test (notice the "scholastic" bit?) and serves the function of measuring whether a college applicant has sufficient educational grounding to handle college coursework. That's its sole function and neither the math nor the verbal sections have ever been considered -- at least not by non-ig'nant people -- a proxy for IQ testing. There's a reason why the sale of test prep classes and book nets millions for the sellers and tutors every year...you can improve on the SAT just by learning more and practicing certain techniques.
^This exactly.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 4:00 pm to randomways
Thanks randomways, couldn't have said it better myself.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 5:33 pm to Prof
It's dumb to assert that there's not differences between ethnic groups. It isn't just a stereotype that, on average, Asians are better than other ethnicities at math. That doesn't mean every Asian is better than every Caucasian at math. It just means that on average they're more suited to mathematical reasoning. Why is it anathaema to point out simple facts like that?
This post was edited on 4/19/14 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 4/19/14 at 6:19 pm to Dalosaqy
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Is it true? I don't know if it is. Do you? Are you bothered by the fact that 61% of division I basketball players are black? Is there an institutional racism in the game against white people?
What argument are you trying to make?
Posted on 4/19/14 at 6:30 pm to the808bass
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It's dumb to assert that there's not differences between ethnic groups. It isn't just a stereotype that, on average, Asians are better than other ethnicities at math. That doesn't mean every Asian is better than every Caucasian at math. It just means that on average they're more suited to mathematical reasoning. Why is it anathaema to point out simple facts like that?
Because those aren't facts. Race is a social construct that simply does not exist biologically - there's only ONE race: human.
What does exist are socio-economic, cultural, opportunity, educational, and value-based differences amongst ethnicities. Poor kids go to worse schools with fewer course offerings, suffer several educational disadvantages directly tied to income (things like not having a place to live, not always having electricity, going to bed hungry, violence at home or in your neighborhood effect performance at school and the ability to learn/concentrate). Poor kids don't have the advantage of parents who can buy the best - they don't even know if they'll have the necessary school supplies - and they certainly don't often take top flight early math, language, arts, and music classes that advantage the development of ANY and EVERY child so lucky as to be born with well off parents.
Put any kid, regardless of ethnic background, in a prep school like Philips Exeter Academy or Eton College (or one of the many elite preps and/or rich kid knock-offs) and he or she will have had more education, more experience, more opportunities, and more subject knowledge by 10th grade than most first year graduate students. They will be so far ahead of their peers that most regular people would take them for super-geniuses when what they really are is no more than someone who has had was a first class education, unlimited opportunity and support, and the best of everything at their disposal.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 6:36 pm to Prof
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Because those aren't facts. Race is a social construct that simply does not exist biologically - there's only ONE race: human.
This still avoids the question. It sounds good. But in the end, the question is kind of irrelevant.
None of the cultural/ethnic differences keeps an individual from accomplishing something by itself. I just find it interesting that the data can't be addressed without idiocy on either side. One side says "there's no difference." The diametric position is that "those other people are dumb" or "those other people are mean." Neither of which is especially helpful or relevant to any discussion.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 6:36 pm to the808bass
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Asians are better than other ethnicities at math
Jesus Christ dude, just stop while you're way behind.
You trying to tell me that Russians are better than other "ethnicities" at math?
Posted on 4/19/14 at 6:38 pm to Stonehog
I meant Southeast Asians. But Russians seem to be better at math than Americans.
More hostility at discussing data.
More hostility at discussing data.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 6:43 pm to the808bass
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More hostility at discussing data.
Republicans are racists. There's some more "data" for you.
Prove me wrong.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 6:46 pm to the808bass
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This still avoids the question. It sounds good. But in the end, the question is kind of irrelevant.
None of the cultural/ethnic differences keeps an individual from accomplishing something by itself. I just find it interesting that the data can't be addressed without idiocy on either side. One side says "there's no difference." The diametric position is that "those other people are dumb" or "those other people are mean." Neither of which is especially helpful or relevant to any discussion.
The human genome project says there's no difference. Good lord this isn't an opinion but a scientific fact.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:41 pm to the808bass
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ically - there's only ONE race: human.
This still avoids the question. It sounds good. But in the end, the question is kind of irrelevant.
None of the cultural/ethnic differences keeps an individual from accomplishing something by itself. I just find it interesting that the data can't be addressed without idiocy on either side. One side says "there's no difference." The diametric position is that "those other people are dumb" or "those other people are mean." Neither of which is especially helpful or relevant to any discussion.
The proper position isn't that there's no difference. There's clearly a difference in the results. Results, however, aren't causative (obviously) and people forget -- or, just as likely, pretend to forget -- this basic bit of logic. The stance that the difference stems from innate differences is not only unfounded and bigoted pretextually, it's actually an excellent way to tell minorities they are inferior and shouldn't even aspire to be better. It was the justification for slavery, and for Jim Crow laws. (And the justification for oppressing women too, if it comes to that.) And racists know this perfectly well.
The proper, i.e. intellectually valid, position is that the differences must stem from some external cause since science has demonstrated quite thoroughly that there's no biological, i.e. scientific, difference involved. That means the problem can be fixed. But too many people either don't want the problem fixed (or pretend they do as a not-terribly-subtle tool for emphasizing the supposed inferiority of the other race) or suggest quick, easy solutions because it's, well, quicker and easier to think those up. It does nobody any good to be told, "Hey, so you were raised in a poor educational environment. Just get smart and get that $150K degree my parents paid for me to get." The problem isn't identifying the issues; the problem is formulating an adequate response. And that problem is only exacerbated by the number of people who refuse to accept the legitimacy of the issue, to say nothing of the people who, not understanding how causation works, actually believe the issue is proof of innate inferiority and try to hinder any improvement.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 7:49 pm to randomways
Excellent response, problem is 808 doesn't think it's racist to say white people are smarter than black people. He'll just call it a fact.
He just said Russians are better at math than Americans, as if they have different brains.
He just said Russians are better at math than Americans, as if they have different brains.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:00 pm to Stonehog
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Excellent response, problem is 808 doesn't think it's racist to say white people are smarter than black people. He'll just call it a fact.
He just said Russians are better at math than Americans, as if they have different brains.
And completely ignored the very real effects I cited that help explain the differences in achievement, learning, and test results while claiming said response sidestepped the issue because he believes in race. In fact, he believes in race so strongly that, as you point out, he describes Russians as a damn near alien species whose brains must be different from ours.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:05 pm to Stonehog
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Excellent response, problem is 808 doesn't think it's racist to say white people are smarter than black people. He'll just call it a fact.
One, I've never said that. Nor would I. There's all different sorts of intelligences and not very many good measures of any of them.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 8:11 pm to Henry Jones Jr
they are taking lesser positions because they are about to get fired. Trent Johnson sucked. AND we replaced him With Johnny Jones who is black.
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