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My thoughts on the timing of the new DC hire
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:54 pm
I've been one of the main ones scratching my head on why it has been taking so long to hire a DC. I've heard all kinds of reasons, too.
Just wanted to throw this out there and maybe wps20 can elaborate on if this right or not.
Do you think that 2B's waited to hire a DC because it would allow himself/or other current staff members more In Home visits with recruits? not quite sure how to word what I'm trying to say, but I thought that if we were short handed a coach, then the existing coaches could pick up the slack. I may be way off, but its what popped into my head about this situation.
What say you?
Just wanted to throw this out there and maybe wps20 can elaborate on if this right or not.
Do you think that 2B's waited to hire a DC because it would allow himself/or other current staff members more In Home visits with recruits? not quite sure how to word what I'm trying to say, but I thought that if we were short handed a coach, then the existing coaches could pick up the slack. I may be way off, but its what popped into my head about this situation.
What say you?
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Posted on 2/8/14 at 9:56 pm to Pigfeet
Of course. Bert was then able to do more in homes because he was down a coordinator.
He was constantly on the road this year.
He was constantly on the road this year.
Posted on 2/8/14 at 10:11 pm to Pigfeet
Posted on 2/8/14 at 10:12 pm to hawgfaninc
I thought the HC was only allowed only so many in home visits per anyways?
Posted on 2/8/14 at 11:02 pm to Pigfeet
People were speculating that this was a reason for the delay within about a week of Ash leaving. I haven't seen any exact rules about this posted, but lots of people have suggested this as an explanation for the timing.
It sounds plausible but I'd need to see the rule to be convinced.
It could also be that Bielema and co really did want to focus on recruiting rather than figuring out who to hire as DC. The pool of recruits was pretty small at that point, so it's also plausible that they felt comfortable enough that the DC hire wouldn't make a difference that they decided to just put it off and put 100% into recruiting.
But ultimately, it doesn't even fricking matter. Having a DC on January 25th vs having a DC on February 9th makes no difference. You could say it might for recruiting, but I really don't believe it.
It sounds plausible but I'd need to see the rule to be convinced.
It could also be that Bielema and co really did want to focus on recruiting rather than figuring out who to hire as DC. The pool of recruits was pretty small at that point, so it's also plausible that they felt comfortable enough that the DC hire wouldn't make a difference that they decided to just put it off and put 100% into recruiting.
But ultimately, it doesn't even fricking matter. Having a DC on January 25th vs having a DC on February 9th makes no difference. You could say it might for recruiting, but I really don't believe it.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 2/8/14 at 11:41 pm to hawgfaninc
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Its ok, I visited your thread too. Not trying to take attention away from the thread you started, so I will go over there and post in that one again.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 11:43 pm
Posted on 2/8/14 at 11:53 pm to Pigfeet
Nobody's going to publicly say it's about the money so it more than likely had something to do with money.
This post was edited on 2/8/14 at 11:59 pm
Posted on 2/9/14 at 1:24 am to Porky
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Its ok, I visited your thread too. Not trying to take attention away from the thread you started, so I will go over there and post in that one again.
Wasn't why I posted it. Didn't feel like posting basically the same thing twice.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 9:05 am to hawgfaninc
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Wasn't why I posted it
Oh, ok. So you were policing the site again. I will try and improve next time and will still visit your thread.
This post was edited on 2/9/14 at 9:06 am
Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:14 am to Razorback Reverend
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I thought the HC was only allowed only so many in home visits per anyways?
On field coaches are allowed so many in homes, more than the HC when you have a full staff, if you are down a on field coach then the HC can the visits to create the same total as other on field coaches.
Les Miles has held off on replacing many position coaches in the past to take advantage of this, O-line coach this year.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 1:43 pm to DaleDenton
If somebody like Saban had hired Coach Smith, I'm sure all of us would've found some way to be jealous and Saban would have been given tremendous praise throughout the SEC for his new "find." My goodness, he hired Kiffen--a well-known douche-- and nobody bats an eye. After all, Saban does no wrong.
His "genius" is well-known, and everybody assumes that every hire he makes is going to be a homerun.
For obvious reasons though, we just don't have the same amount of trust with coach B: I don't think he has earned it to be honest. That is the price that has to be paid when you've coached a team to such an abysmal season. However, it doesn't mean that the new hire is a bad one.
We are going to know much much more in about a year. Until then, I'm going to try my best to keep the negativity to a minimum and give our coach a chance to build the team his way.
His "genius" is well-known, and everybody assumes that every hire he makes is going to be a homerun.
For obvious reasons though, we just don't have the same amount of trust with coach B: I don't think he has earned it to be honest. That is the price that has to be paid when you've coached a team to such an abysmal season. However, it doesn't mean that the new hire is a bad one.
We are going to know much much more in about a year. Until then, I'm going to try my best to keep the negativity to a minimum and give our coach a chance to build the team his way.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 3:28 pm to DocHog
Pretty sure CBB has had more assistants go on to be HCs than Saban, but I could be wrong...
Posted on 2/9/14 at 3:33 pm to DaleDenton
Bielema has more than earned the benefit of the doubt in my mind. His coaching tree is already impressive and he's a young coach.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 3:35 pm to FleaMarketBill
I like the hire. I think people panning his resume are just being haters.
Rutgers was a LOT better defensively when he was there. He's also got experience with linebackers.
Ash, well, sucked.
Rutgers was a LOT better defensively when he was there. He's also got experience with linebackers.
Ash, well, sucked.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 4:35 pm to Killean
I don't know if Ash sucked or not, but he had the personality of a rock. The last three defensive coordinators have been underwhelming, but so has the talent on the back 7. All three of them have ran a bend but always break, keep everything in front of you unless you're Eric Bennett, type of defense. Quite a bit of that can be attributed to our lack of talent on that side of the ball. There is no doubt that we need to upgrade the athleticism and football IQ of our back 7 tremendously. Once we do that we can implement a more attacking defense. Ash ran away because he viewed our defense as a black hole that would swallow all of his credibility as a coach.
Any improvement at all on the offensive end will do wonders for our defense. I'm holding out hope that in 2015 we have the AC3 J-Will train rolling at full speed, and Randy Shannon finally has the linebacker crew looking like they belong in this league.
ETA: To clarify my statement about Offense. We run a ball control offense and the ability to run the clock down while giving our defense time to rest and make in-game adjustments is crucial especially for our defense.
Any improvement at all on the offensive end will do wonders for our defense. I'm holding out hope that in 2015 we have the AC3 J-Will train rolling at full speed, and Randy Shannon finally has the linebacker crew looking like they belong in this league.
ETA: To clarify my statement about Offense. We run a ball control offense and the ability to run the clock down while giving our defense time to rest and make in-game adjustments is crucial especially for our defense.
This post was edited on 2/9/14 at 4:38 pm
Posted on 2/9/14 at 4:38 pm to FleaMarketBill
From what I can recall, Bert's defenses at Wisconsin were always mainly zone with very little blitzing, some consider this to be "bend don't break".
He is going out of his comfort zone, so to speak, as he is talking about Robb bringing an "attacking" defense, it would be the first time we had this since Herring.
He is going out of his comfort zone, so to speak, as he is talking about Robb bringing an "attacking" defense, it would be the first time we had this since Herring.
Posted on 2/9/14 at 4:42 pm to DaleDenton
Haynes ran an attacking defense for one game of his tenure and that was against Auburn. We had 8 or 9 sacks that game. I really hope we try to let Philon, Flowers, Wise and the rest of them play downhill and meet the runners/quarterbacks in the backfield instead of trying to hang back in the gaps and react.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:58 am to DocHog
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If somebody like Saban had hired Coach Smith, I'm sure all of us would've found some way to be jealous and Saban would have been given tremendous praise throughout the SEC for his new "find." My goodness, he hired Kiffen--a well-known douche-- and nobody bats an eye. After all, Saban does no wrong.
LOL Wut?
There was thread after thread on tRant crushing Saban/Bama for hiring Kiffin.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:00 am to DaleDenton
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Pretty sure CBB has had more assistants go on to be HCs than Saban, but I could be wrong...
Eh, Saban has had plenty of assistants go on to be head coaches, and one (Jimbo Fisher) just won the NC.
Jimbo Fisher, Derek Dooley, Will Muschamp, Mark Dantonio, and Jim McElwain are just five I can name off the top of my head. Bielema has a good eye for assistant talent, but Saban's tree is better than people realize.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:10 am to FleaMarketBill
Bret knows how to play the political game of football for sure. There were a few reasons why he may have waited:
1. Waiting allowed him to take more visits
2. He knew it was underwhelming so he waited until national signing day was over. He couldn’t take the risk of losing possible defensive recruits due to negative recruiting.
3. This was plan B
1. Waiting allowed him to take more visits
2. He knew it was underwhelming so he waited until national signing day was over. He couldn’t take the risk of losing possible defensive recruits due to negative recruiting.
3. This was plan B
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