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UGA fans Greene vs. Murray
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:16 pm
What is the legacy of each?
Both 4 year starters, Murray has the numbers Greene has the wins and helped break the 20 year SEC title drought. Who will be remembered as the more successful UGA QB?
Both 4 year starters, Murray has the numbers Greene has the wins and helped break the 20 year SEC title drought. Who will be remembered as the more successful UGA QB?
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:19 pm to RandySavage
In my mind, Murray has been the better QB but on less successful teams. I wish he'd had the luxury of having the defenses that Greene had. He would have probably won a championship last year, IMO. Maybe this year too.
ETA- our offensive production has been on another level with Murray
ETA- our offensive production has been on another level with Murray
This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:25 pm to Crowknowsbest
Different eras though all defenses are bad now except alabama and all offensive stats are inflated.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:30 pm to RandySavage
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Different eras though all defenses are bad now except alabama and all offensive stats are inflated.
I'm basing it mostly on the eye test. I feel like Murray just has a better grasp on the Richt/Bobo offense than Greene did. Greene was a winner though, no doubt. I do not mean to take anything away from him. He was awesome.
Those UGA defenses in the Greene era were nasty though and would still be very good today. No way 2012 Bama runs for 350 on Pollack, Thurman, Davis, and co.
This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:30 pm to RandySavage
Greene will be more remembered, simply because those teams achieved more. However, UGA defense only gave up 30 points 1 (one) time during Greene's 4 years, and it was in the SECCG to the national champs. In Greene's days, if we scored 20 points chances are we were winning the game.
Murray is more explosive and can do more on the field, but he just hasn't had the same luxury Greene had. Murray has to basically score 35 to give us a chance in every game. Honestly I can't tell you who I'd rather have if I'm picking a team, it will take several years for the recency of Murray to wear off to make that decision. Both of them are fantastic QBs who love the hell out of UGA.
Murray is more explosive and can do more on the field, but he just hasn't had the same luxury Greene had. Murray has to basically score 35 to give us a chance in every game. Honestly I can't tell you who I'd rather have if I'm picking a team, it will take several years for the recency of Murray to wear off to make that decision. Both of them are fantastic QBs who love the hell out of UGA.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:37 pm to RandySavage
Murray will be the best QB to play at UGA. It is a shame that the wins and championships did not come as easily as they did for David Greene. In fact if Murray wins the last 2 regular season games and a bowl, he will actually only be 6 wins behind David Greene's mark of 42. In many ways Greene was always overshadowed in Athens by the Pollack train. Murray has all the statistic records that a QB can have in the SEC and more that any of that, it was how he played for the school (IMO) that sets him apart. Just a true leader and ambassador for the school in numerous ways.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:38 pm to WG_Dawg
They both were Sabaninzed when it mattered most. That coach probably stopped us from getting two BCSCG trophy crystals.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:40 pm to WG_Dawg
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Greene will be more remembered, simply because those teams achieved more. However, UGA defense only gave up 30 points 1 (one) time during Greene's 4 years, and it was in the SECCG to the national champs. In Greene's days, if we scored 20 points chances are we were winning the game.
I can also remember (at least 3 to 4 times) Shockley bailing Greene out of games that he just did not show up for, but because Greene was the starter, he received credit for the W. To me a good barometer to measure which QB meant more to a team-Greene couldn't keep his back up from getting meaningful minutes. Richt can't even find a way to keep Murray off the field during blow outs. Seems pretty simple as to who should have the better legacy.
This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:44 pm to RandySavage
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What is the legacy of each?
Not a bad question. I think the legacy of each will be close to equal.
Greene was a great college QB, won a ton of games, a conference Championship, helped manage our turnaround and was the QB on a lot of iconic plays with Larry Munson giving the play by play.
Murray missed out on a conference Championship by about 5 yards, same for a BCS Championship (IMO, we would've smoked ND), plus he didn't win as many games.
On Murray's side, however, and why he will be remembered about like Green, is because he now owns the SEC QB record book. So he has to be mentioned in just about any discussion when a QB is having a good year or is approaching one of his records.
What's missing right now is how AM will do as a pro. If he hangs on with a team and does well, his stock will go up a bit with fans as well.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:49 pm to RandySavage
I DGAF. Alls Im lookn forward to is the guy who can bring us a title.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:50 pm to adawgj
Don't think it will be Mason, who is in line after him?
Ramsey? Lemay?
Ramsey? Lemay?
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Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:53 pm to RandySavage
Next year Mason is going to be given the keys to an offensive Ferrari and told not to crash it. We'll see how the defense does, hopefully under new leadership.
After that it will probably be Brice Ramsey or Jacob Park.
After that it will probably be Brice Ramsey or Jacob Park.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:58 pm to RandySavage
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all defenses are bad now except alabama
low football iq
Posted on 11/18/13 at 1:59 pm to NaturalLight00
And the Missouri stalwarts, I forgot about them.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 2:01 pm to JStanDawgFan
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I can also remember (at least 3 to 4 times) Shockley bailing Greene out of games that he just did not show up for
Well that's simply not true. There's only 1 game that I can almost surely say we would've lost had DJ not played as well as he did while Greene struggled.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 2:02 pm to RandySavage
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Ramsey? Lemay?
Lemay will never take a significant snap while at UGA.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 2:11 pm to Crowknowsbest
Greene will have the better legacy because of a SEC title and bringing a new level of success to UGA. I think Murray is a better QB and as previously mentioned would have an SEC title (or more) if he had better defenses.
As for the future QB's I think Mason has a chance to keep the offense in good enough shape however unless there is dramatic defensive improvement he'll have no chance to compete for the SEC East.
As for the future QB's I think Mason has a chance to keep the offense in good enough shape however unless there is dramatic defensive improvement he'll have no chance to compete for the SEC East.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 2:31 pm to WG_Dawg
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Well that's simply not true. There's only 1 game that I can almost surely say we would've lost had DJ not played as well as he did while Greene struggled.
Clemson 2002- David Greene largely ineffective throwing for 12 of 22/67 yrds/1 int.
Shockley comes in and opens the game up by using his legs and throws for a TD and runs for a TD; that without, Clemson gets momentum and perhaps wins. David Greene is credited with a win in a game that featured the above stats.
Tennessee 2004- Not a win, but he was the lone bright spot in the entire game. David Greene 15 of 34/163 yrds/0-0 and he was sacked 5 times. Shockley comes in and is able to lead the team to a TD in his only drive going 4 of 6 with a TD throw. WHY he didn't play more in that game still baffles me.
Georgia Tech 2004- Greene goes for a whopping 50% completion percentage going 6 of 12 for 80 yards. He then gets hurt and gives way to Shockley who doesn't fair all that great himself going 6 of 15 for 112 yards and a TD, however he does enough to win the game and get yet another win for David Greene's win total.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 2:33 pm to JStanDawgFan
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Clemson 2002
That's the one I referenced.
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Tennessee 2004
Shock also missed a wide open TD to Reggie in the west endzone. We lost the game...not sure how you can say DJ bailed us out or whatever when we still lost.
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Georgia Tech 2004
Did you watch that game? Shockley looked absolutley dreadful. Greene hurt his thumb but was forced to go back in due to how terrible DJ was.
Posted on 11/18/13 at 2:41 pm to WG_Dawg
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Shock also missed a wide open TD to Reggie in the west endzone. We lost the game...not sure how you can say DJ bailed us out or whatever when we still lost.
That was my point on that game. I remember Shockley missing Reggie on that throw, but I also think that had he had more opportunities in that game the outcome may have been different. Greene was awful that day.
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Did you watch that game? Shockley looked absolutley dreadful. Greene hurt his thumb but was forced to go back in due to how terrible DJ was.
I was at that game. But I remember thinking that he was less dreadful that Greene was that day. It was a good thing that the defense showed up that day or else it would have been REAL bad...
But that is the overall tenor of what I am getting at. Greene had many more luxuries at his disposal that Murray has had, which is why I think Murray should have the better legacy as the better QB. Murray had to try and go out and win games, Greene had to do his best not to lose them. Big difference to me.
ETA: as an aside, since we both agree on the Clemson 2002 game that Shockley really took over and helped win; do you really think that the 2002 team builds that never say die attitude and goes on to the SEC Championship if Greene is allowed to finish and lose that game? They could have very easily folded that next week against Carolina as well. (There again, the defense gets the job done when Greene couldn't, which Murray has failed to ever have)Thus losing his only SEC title and reason for people to even consider him for such a debate. Thought provoking.
This post was edited on 11/18/13 at 2:47 pm
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