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Georgia fans tell me about your defense
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:29 am
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:29 am
I haven't had a chance to watch Georgia much this season so I'm curious as to how y'all will match up against us.
Where are y'all strong at? Where are you weak? Who are your playmakers and who are your liabilities? Are you big and slow or small and quick?
And can we please actually have a legitimate football discussion without all the bullshite the rant usually succumbs to.
Where are y'all strong at? Where are you weak? Who are your playmakers and who are your liabilities? Are you big and slow or small and quick?
And can we please actually have a legitimate football discussion without all the bullshite the rant usually succumbs to.
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:33 am to CottonWasKing
ill give u the full version tonight when i get home. disregard everything else you read in the meantime.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:35 am to CottonWasKing
The good thing about this game is our defense has only faced 1 pro style QB this year (granted it was NT) and only gave up 7 points. That's positive I guess.
Our line is above average, but not great. Sterling Bailey at DE and Garrison Smith at end/nose are the standouts.
LB is a strength of the defense by far. Wilson and Herrera at the ILB spots were 1 and 2 in the conference in tackles after 2 or 3 weeks I believe. Wilson is the quicker, and Herrera is the big wide run stopper. He was the only one wortha damn vs bama in the SECCG last year.
At OLB Jordan Jenkins was supposed to step right in for Jarvis but has underwhelmed. He's been improving but still no sacks. Leonard Floyd on teh other side has been extremely impressive all through camp and so far this season as a freshman.
Secondary is a concern. Swann at CB is a very good CB and could start for most teams. On the other side is a true freshman that is taking his lumps early. Has looked good at times, awful at others. LSU will pick on him often.
At safety we have a true freshman in Tray Matthews who has all the potential but has made mental mistakes like bad angles and poor pursuits so far. Easily correctible though. Other safety we have JHC a former 5* who is really playing well this year. If we open in nickel JHC slides to the Star and Connor Norman plays the other S. He does the best he can but isn't going to wow anyone.
ETA: I wanted to go the deeprig route but at least wanted to give you something. I could get a lot more detailed but I don't really have the time right now. That's a nice little starter kit though.
Our line is above average, but not great. Sterling Bailey at DE and Garrison Smith at end/nose are the standouts.
LB is a strength of the defense by far. Wilson and Herrera at the ILB spots were 1 and 2 in the conference in tackles after 2 or 3 weeks I believe. Wilson is the quicker, and Herrera is the big wide run stopper. He was the only one wortha damn vs bama in the SECCG last year.
At OLB Jordan Jenkins was supposed to step right in for Jarvis but has underwhelmed. He's been improving but still no sacks. Leonard Floyd on teh other side has been extremely impressive all through camp and so far this season as a freshman.
Secondary is a concern. Swann at CB is a very good CB and could start for most teams. On the other side is a true freshman that is taking his lumps early. Has looked good at times, awful at others. LSU will pick on him often.
At safety we have a true freshman in Tray Matthews who has all the potential but has made mental mistakes like bad angles and poor pursuits so far. Easily correctible though. Other safety we have JHC a former 5* who is really playing well this year. If we open in nickel JHC slides to the Star and Connor Norman plays the other S. He does the best he can but isn't going to wow anyone.
ETA: I wanted to go the deeprig route but at least wanted to give you something. I could get a lot more detailed but I don't really have the time right now. That's a nice little starter kit though.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 10:36 am
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:35 am to CottonWasKing
Obviously it is a fairly inexperienced group that I think will continue to improve throughout the year.
My biggest complaint is probably the DB's. My biggest area of confidence is probably the LB's.
I'll let more knowledgeable folks add to that.
My biggest complaint is probably the DB's. My biggest area of confidence is probably the LB's.
I'll let more knowledgeable folks add to that.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:35 am to CottonWasKing
1. Young - especially secondary
2. Faster than last year but not getting a lot of QB pressure
3. Mett will probably look to torch #4 Langley, that's what Connor Shaw did all day in the Cocks' loss
4. LB's are decent but teams are still racking up the yardage against us
5. Playmakers = Leonard Floyd, Jordan Jenkins and Tray Matthews
If you see #11 (white boy) Connor Norman in there then that equals an automatic TD for Beckham & Landry
UGA D has to prevent giving up more than 25 in order to win, not sure that's gonna happen.
2. Faster than last year but not getting a lot of QB pressure
3. Mett will probably look to torch #4 Langley, that's what Connor Shaw did all day in the Cocks' loss
4. LB's are decent but teams are still racking up the yardage against us
5. Playmakers = Leonard Floyd, Jordan Jenkins and Tray Matthews
If you see #11 (white boy) Connor Norman in there then that equals an automatic TD for Beckham & Landry
UGA D has to prevent giving up more than 25 in order to win, not sure that's gonna happen.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:38 am to DawgFARKer
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My biggest complaint is probably the DB's
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Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:38 am to CottonWasKing
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Where are y'all strong at?
Heart and recruiting rankings
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Where are you weak?
Pretty much everywhere but really the secondary is an issue with youth, ILBs have struggled, and the DL is hit or miss. Strength would be OLBs IMO
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Who are your playmakers and who are your liabilities?
I'd say Floyd and Jenkins at OLB are our best players as well as DL (mostly DT but has played NG) Garrison Smith. Swann is our most experienced CB but he still gets beat. JHC has played, IMO, pretty well since getting back and he's a safety, bandit. I'd say our weakest link would be freshman CB Brendan Langley. Safety Tray Matthews is also a strength but he's also a freshman so shite happens liek poor angles and missed tackles but the kid can hit
DL has been kind of a blur for me this year. They have their moments where they look athletic and times they look like patsies. Different than last years DL though where we relied on our 2 NGs a lot, much more of a Uniform DL this year. And Ray Drew has yet to become the pastor of disaster
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Are you big and slow or small and quick?
I'd say they aren't as big as they are going to be but they are not small. They are a decently sized, sometimes bigger than usual (JHC is 6'5 and Floyd looks like he's 7'2). They're fast too. They just dunno where to be all the time.
I am sure another Dawg fan will come in and do a better job at explaining because I honestly haven't watched a game on TV yet and I can't see numbers all that well from the stands so this is based off what I have my spotters next to me telling me and what highlights I watch
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 10:42 am
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:41 am to CottonWasKing
They will once they are able to see one to tell about.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:42 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
quote:Still outscored your arse 83-7 the past 2 years!
RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:42 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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They will once they are able to see one to tell about.
Hilarious coming from an auburn fan, whose defense hasn't stopped anyone for years.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:43 am to CottonWasKing
Smaller and quicker defense than what we traditionally have due to how many underclassmen we have starting. Pretty sure Freshman and Sophmores make up 80% of our two deep substitution but most of them were 4 and 5* recruits for what it is worth.
On the DLine, we do a lot of subbing this year and are playing our best down linemen in Garrison Smith at NT even though he is a DE. There is a lot of talent and size but we are still a bit out from having a dominant DLineman like we did in John Jenkins. Our second best lineman is probably Sterling Bailey who plays DE and has very good technique and size.
Our ILB play is solid with Hererra but Ramik Wilson has struggled a little bit. The only reason Wilson hasn't been benched is because he knows the defense better than our more talented true freshman ILB backups (Reggie Carter, Tim Kimbrough). Our OLB play might be the strength of this team with Leonard Floyd coming along nicely as a pure pass rusher. Jordan Jenkins doesn't have a sack yet but he has looked very good this year against the run and pass. He could blow up any week with 2-3 sacks.
Secondary is probably the teams biggest weakness due to lack of experience. We are starting a true Sophmore in Josh Harvey Clemons at our star position. He is a former 5* recruit who has ridiculous length and speed (6'5, 225) but needs to fill out more. Likewise, we have Tray Mathews at SS and Brendan Langley as one of our starting boundary corners and both are true freshman. Both guys are tremendously talented but still seem to be getting acclimated to the speed of the game and have been prone to get beat and aren't playing with enough confidence. Not sure who is starting for us at FS but we typically rotate Connor Norman, Josh Harvey Clemons, and Corey Moore at the position if I remember correctly.
On the DLine, we do a lot of subbing this year and are playing our best down linemen in Garrison Smith at NT even though he is a DE. There is a lot of talent and size but we are still a bit out from having a dominant DLineman like we did in John Jenkins. Our second best lineman is probably Sterling Bailey who plays DE and has very good technique and size.
Our ILB play is solid with Hererra but Ramik Wilson has struggled a little bit. The only reason Wilson hasn't been benched is because he knows the defense better than our more talented true freshman ILB backups (Reggie Carter, Tim Kimbrough). Our OLB play might be the strength of this team with Leonard Floyd coming along nicely as a pure pass rusher. Jordan Jenkins doesn't have a sack yet but he has looked very good this year against the run and pass. He could blow up any week with 2-3 sacks.
Secondary is probably the teams biggest weakness due to lack of experience. We are starting a true Sophmore in Josh Harvey Clemons at our star position. He is a former 5* recruit who has ridiculous length and speed (6'5, 225) but needs to fill out more. Likewise, we have Tray Mathews at SS and Brendan Langley as one of our starting boundary corners and both are true freshman. Both guys are tremendously talented but still seem to be getting acclimated to the speed of the game and have been prone to get beat and aren't playing with enough confidence. Not sure who is starting for us at FS but we typically rotate Connor Norman, Josh Harvey Clemons, and Corey Moore at the position if I remember correctly.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:47 am to DawgFARKer
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2. Faster than last year but not getting a lot of QB pressure
This is what I'm most interested in. Hard to tell from the first couple games, given the mobility of Boyd and Shaw.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:48 am to Damn Good Dawg
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Pretty much everywhere but really the secondary is an issue with youth, ILBs have struggled, and the DL is hit or miss. Strength would be OLBs IMO
I could see Hill having a great night if that's the case. We have an offensive line that's playing like a road grader right now.
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I'd say our weakest link would be freshman CB Brendan Langley.
So y'all's weakest player is going to have to cover Landry? Not trying to flame but........ Ouch
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:50 am to twhorn
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This is what I'm most interested in. Hard to tell from the first couple games, given the mobility of Boyd and Shaw.
Yea, that kinda paralyzed them. NT showed what it'd be more like but that sucks cause it was NT so you can't REALLY gauge our team vs a less mobile QB with the evidence thus far.
I mean the DL looks like it is doing better in pass rush these days but they just aren't getting there. One thing I have noticed from them but really from Jordan Jenkins is they are coming in there with reckless abandon and over running the QB. DC DGD says they need to come in with more control, more force, as opposed to always trying to sprint around the side. Too much use of speed, more need for physical bull rushing.
At least that's what Lee Corso told me in NCAA
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:50 am to WG_Dawg
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Hilarious coming from an auburn fan, whose defense hasn't stopped anyone for years.
Had this been a thread about Auburn I would have given the same response. You do not have a very good defense right now. Sorry for ruining your day with truth. Doesn't mean you don't have talented players, but they aren't playing very well as a unit.
Absolutely Auburn has not had a good overall defense in a while. And?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:52 am to DawgFARKer
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Still outscored your arse 83-7 the past 2 years!
And that helps your defense in 2013 how?
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:52 am to CottonWasKing
The D should have much better matchups against LSU due to the more pro-style offense. Grantham is able to use the 3-4 much more to his liking, like he did last week against NT.
IMHO, this game comes down to 2 things for the UGA D: 1) tackling Hill at the first level with the DL or LB's and not allowing him to break into the 2nd level; 2) getting some sort of consistent pressure on ZM to either force bad throws or sack him. If he has time he has the skill set to beat our young secondary.
IMHO, this game comes down to 2 things for the UGA D: 1) tackling Hill at the first level with the DL or LB's and not allowing him to break into the 2nd level; 2) getting some sort of consistent pressure on ZM to either force bad throws or sack him. If he has time he has the skill set to beat our young secondary.
Posted on 9/25/13 at 10:54 am to CottonWasKing
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Rocky
They're young, dammit
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CottonWasKing
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I could see Hill having a great night if that's the case. We have an offensive line that's playing like a road grader right now.
We have done well, IMO, with runs up the middle, it's the outside that has struggled. A big part of that, though, is our defense has to worry about the QB option with Boyd and Shaw. Mett poses less of a running threat so that will at least help Georgia play with more confidence in terms of who has the ball most the time.
That being said Hill will get his yards. I have fully accepted that. I'm not one of those who expects miracles out of this defense, IMO the key is disrupting rhythm and slowing LSU down.
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So y'all's weakest player is going to have to cover Landry? Not trying to flame but........ Ouch
He'll get some help but yea, it's not easy. Swann will switch him but both Landry and OBJ scare the bejesus out of me and like Hill, I know they'll get theirs. Still, this defense isn't a bunch of pushovers, they are just young. They are as likely to blow a coverage and give up an 80 yd TD on a screen to forcing an INT. We just haven't seen the whole INT thing a lot yet
Posted on 9/25/13 at 11:01 am to Fats
In a nutshell. Very young with only one senior starting. Solid DL and LBs, though they have trouble setting the edge. DBs are very young (2 true fr., soph., and junior) and susceptible to big plays.
Play makers are Leonard Floyd. Jordan Jenkins, Amarlo Herrera, and the two of Matthews/Swann to a lesser extent.
I will say they are close to 100 percent healthy as they have been.
Play makers are Leonard Floyd. Jordan Jenkins, Amarlo Herrera, and the two of Matthews/Swann to a lesser extent.
I will say they are close to 100 percent healthy as they have been.
This post was edited on 9/25/13 at 11:03 am
Posted on 9/25/13 at 11:01 am to bullittmcqueen
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tackling Hill at the first level with the DL or LB's and not allowing him to break into the 2nd level
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tackling Hill at the first level with the DL or LB's and not allowing him to break into the 2nd level
We'll have to do the same with Gurley but that's not exactly easy when you're dealing with the talent level that both Hill and Gurley have. How deep are y'all in the front seven?
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getting some sort of consistent pressure on ZM to either force bad throws or sack him. If he has time he has the skill set to beat our young secondary
Our offensive line has been playing really well so far. I could be wrong but to be honest I just don't see y'all doing that. I don't really see anyone getting tons of pressure on Mett this year.
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